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En este episodio presentamos la primera parte de una entrevista exclusiva con Luis Miguel Navas, un recorrido por los años iniciales de una carrera que comenzó muy temprano dentro del sistema del béisbol cubano.
Navas repasa con nosotros:
• Sus inicios en el béisbol desde edades tempranas
• El paso por los equipos Cuba en categorías inferiores
• Las exigencias y presiones del sistema
• El salto a la Serie Nacional
• Cómo se construye —y se condiciona— un pelotero desde abajo en Cuba
Una conversación necesaria para entender cómo se forma un jugador dentro del sistema cubano y qué se gana —y qué se pierde— en ese camino.
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Cubana straight to your ears from the USA with a shared rhythm. Here we talk about baseball pure passion with
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and little ass. The best connection news analysis the best of diamonds.
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This podcast is yours. We're going for Cuban ball and
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You know it breaks it. Analysis get ready. It's your podcast not you
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you can lose it.
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[Music]
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It's your podcast, you can't miss it, my people. ending the year 2025. Hey,
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first of all, may all of you be in good health together with your family and grateful to us. Hey,
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I speak in my name, including my family, about a very good year in
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in terms of health and in terms of achievements in all spheres
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professionals in my life. And this is one of the proudest I feel to be part of this group of crazy people
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beginning, but with knowledge and of people that we are who breathe,
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we love and feel very sorry for baseball, Cuban baseball and obviously the best baseball in the world, which are the big ones
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leagues. My brother Tano Gamona, closing 2025 I want to dedicate this sentence to you
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thank you. So, simply thank you for making me part of this project that is going in
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A few days until our fifth year, hey, and really yes, to you, to all the
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What have they done over time, to Luis Leonel León, to Francis who started this with us and that's it
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Around here, it is already believed that it is from the house that calls us to be here every day. Really yes, to Juspa, Henry,
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to all those who are here, my people, that you saw in that greeting that we dedicated to you, but really yes, Giordano, thank you very much. Whats
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Do you have me by the end of the year? What do you have for me? No, you know something one year,
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Unfortunately one more year for me, one less for you because you already know that like you being moringa, you're getting hooked
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And I love you and right now it ties you and right now it ties you with me, right now it ties you. It has been it has been something it has been a
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A spectacular year, a year full of many positive things and it couldn't end any other way, Julio Estrada,
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You couldn't end up with a big Cuban ball and for that, for that I'm going to leave you, I'm going to let him
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presents. Look, it turns out we knew each other a long time ago
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years, but for the first time we went back there on the distant 19 in 91. So see if there's ears, huh?
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some hands are spectacular, a bracelet, an accurate player, a
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a man who gave a lot of joy on a ball court, a man who is still linked to baseball today, as we say
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ours, there he is fighting for his brilliant past and for his good
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present and his excellent future that we laud as a baseball man. Here's one that won't close the game
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because he's not piche, but he was a tremendous bateadol and a tremendous Luis Miguel Nava. Here it is.
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Welcome, my brother. Good afternoon. Good afternoon, my brother. How are you? Oh,
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we're good. Delighted, very pleased to have you here. It has truly been a pleasure, a pleasure that you are with us and that and
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That you help me, uh, to spend this hour here, because because I always spend it alone with Julio, right? Already a little
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a little more people here. Like this. The one obviously first of all health,
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good things and we are going to start with something more advanced than this one, what has 2025 brought to Luis Miguel Nava?
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Where are you currently and what are you doing? Let's start there. We're going to break this pattern a little bit.
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Well, since April of this year I have been here, thank God, in Mexical and
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Mexico. Here I am starting a very ambitious project, really yes. Hey,
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I am with Club Cimarrones, category 20123 and apart from that, now for the beginning of
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year, God willing, we have a little surprise. There we are looking to see if we can open an academy here
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in Mexicali where our children can develop and why not think about
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great and get a signing for MLB, which I think is their dream, of
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their parents and of us as coaches as well. Amen, my brother. And if there is anyone who knows that, it is you who is also
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You have a degree in physical culture and sports and this is not the first country where you work. The first one was which one.
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Well, I'm being honest, the first country I visited was in Dominican Republic 2018.
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2015, sorry, 2015. Put your hand in. Aha. Back in 2015, thanks to some friends,
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they took me there. I really already knew that my
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I didn't believe at the time, because let's be honest, I believed at that time that my time as a player of my goal had
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finished. I come there with the idea of working as a coach or something
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similar. Yes, sir. And Olivera, my brother Olivera, who sent her a big hello right now, had just
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signing a few months ago, I think, I don't know, more or less around 6 months ago. Yes And I get there to the Olympic center with the
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Great Papucho and Presinal. They see me, you're Olivera's friend,
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we are going to work with you because you are whole. I tell him, not if I'm already in retirement. He already says to me, “No, no, no. You're going
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let's see how we're going to solve it. Hold on, hold on. As a player. As a player.
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The story, which is a very interesting story, and that's where I realized it.
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All the years that I didn't lose, but that I could have used it differently and seen another better goal played.
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I arrive and with that idea, as I said before, of training, working as a coach and he tells me Nado
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and Papucho, “No, no, no, if you're whole, we're going to work.” They took me to the Air Force with Mina. Yes, of course. A
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Maurin Nina, the Air Force, Colonel Solí. I don't believe you in that area.
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Well, I was in that area. I get there and I see all those children training at the age of 15 and they were all
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Home runs for 400 feet, 500 feet, when I was 15 years old and I started batting and I couldn't get there
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not to the account. Oh, my mother. I say, no, what a shame. I told Nao. No, no, not from here. He says to me, “No,
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Don't worry, if that's what I wanted.” He said to Nina, well, Ninata laughed at
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Me. He said, “That's the horse that you say you have.” And he says, “No, that's what I wanted
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you would say. See you in three months.” Of course, it was three months that nothing else was going to
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the house to sleep. I dropped 25 kg.
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Wow. No, I should have sent you the photo that I have on an Instagram over there. Don't worry, we play it, we play it. You
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You send them, we upload them because this here we make a stack of R later, remember, Ali. So,
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Hey, from there I lost 25 kg, I was even training there at the Olympic center with Marcelo Suna.
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Yes, Marcel Marcel when he saw me batting says, “But where were you?”
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Aini called him because he's my buddy and his mom and dad practically grew up
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practically together. And then I spoke to Ar and he said, “No, he's with Marcel.” She called him, said, “Marcel, uh,
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Look, there's a cousin of mine, I don't know what's there, Marcel, [__] he gave me some bats and that was a show. Me in Cuba in
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Batting practice gave one home run for practice and sometimes it didn't work.
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And that's when I started to get the ball rolling because I was scared myself in three months. I gave 3 months
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20 Jon practical, but like water for 25 watts, but without a tent here 30 and what
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There I was 34 by 35. Wow.
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And then and only oh and only what you changed was, for
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Of course, the diet, but the training was the only thing you changed, wasn't it? Training, nutrition, nothing else,
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Nothing else. There I was, that's where I really for the first time realized that we were behind in what is
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sports training. Wow. We're left behind,
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we are lagging behind in Cuba in that regard. Then, after three months he says to me, “No, we're going back there to the
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Air Force.” Air Force. When we get there when Nina sees me,
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says, “Na, what did you do? We didn't know how to work, to work.”
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Well, I got 20 balls out of him, but in a little while. There there I remember that there was a fish
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de de Seatel and the guy who saw me said, “Where did this Cuban guy come from?” And then no
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explained things. They put me two of those guys who were there to sign. I gave two, three lines for the wall to the
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guys, but when they saw my age they said, “We are embarked there.
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From there, like, four months later.
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A friend of one of the brothers from Cu sees me months, no, like 7 months later
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by Vladimir Guerrero, one who is a pastor. Okay. And they took Nisado there for me.
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There I also got twenty-something balls out of him. No, you got to the place you needed because of your age. non
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we're going to be able to achieve nothing for the United States, but for Japan and Korea I'm sure I'm going to achieve something for him. Así me
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said brother Vladimir Guerrero. I ate with them at his house and everything. They went to get me not to forget
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in a Red for Runy there in Santo Domingo. I used to live in Francisco Pra Ramírez in the Barito Morales sector.
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I used to live there in El Barito. Okay. And then the guy said to me, “Tell your to
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I have to make you your residence in Haiti.
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and that we are going to negotiate the by the way, that I assure you that you for Korea, for Japan, as you are, you are
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Come on, we solved that problem and I started it for you and you're not going to believe me.
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I start for you, I take it out myself. I didn't talk to anyone, I left alone to stop.
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I took out my residence and the one that was my wife at the time and my daughter tell me, “Dad, well, if you're already in Haiti,
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come, come here.” I returned to Cuba to see my daughter. In
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At that time I didn't have the little girl and because she was my wife and I never returned to the Dominican Republic. I stayed.
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My daughter said to me, “Dad, don't go anymore. They are already 11 months away from us. this
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but my daughter that there is this possibility. I didn't come back anymore.” But go, what kind what kind of
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story. You stayed. a question to go to our a to our format,
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but listen to me carefully, I don't think this is in the script. Jordan, did you feel
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satisfied, all right, I see you are very happy to have done this Era something like you had inside and you needed
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express it. I know you didn't say that you felt sad, that you thought you wasted your time, but now give me the summary of that
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stage of the IMMIG in the American Republic. Did you feel fulfilled or do you say your best?
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I thank God that I made that decision because
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Thanks to that decision, today I have my youngest daughter. At that time I didn't have it. truly
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which has been a blessing in my life. He's not here with me right now. Estoy
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doing everything possible to bring her here or to bring her as close as possible to where I am.
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But I do give that grace to God because I had that wonderful being and I could be
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more time with my family. My mom really needed me at that time too. They are things that you don't have
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Why ventilate it in public, the familiar things, but yes I felt very
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happy with that decision, really yes. But as a player, how are you now as a player, do you think he was your best
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stage in eh physically and sportingly speaking? Yes, yes, physically it was the best stage
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mine. Yes Wow. As I told you before, I did an honrón every 100 shifts and then I
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I would give him the ball and take it out with when it became airy. When it was airy, yes. And when there was air for there, for
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him and there I would get the ball out. In fact, I'll tell you one thing, when I return to
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Cuba, I started training like this from time to time
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When Guillermon Moncada with the boys from the Santiago team to give him some advice and that and I put myself
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to do VIP with them there and I gave more than them. Well, in fact, once
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Víctor Mesa was not yet the manager of the Cuba team for the classic and Víctor Mesa saw me batting with Adriel Labrada
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there at Guillermon Moncada and he and his wife called me and they said, “Hey,
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Look, Víctor is going to lead the Cuba team.” Which says, “Nobody knows that yet. Let's go to Matanza, who like you are
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you go to the Cuba team with him.” That's not how he told me, hey, and not seen, I already
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I don't move here in Santiago, I already returned to the Dominican Republic. In fact, I saw him in Dominicano in that Caribbean series that he was a Dominican.
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Yes. He saw me in the stands there by de Delque
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and I said, “No, you see, I'm no longer going to slaughter, I'm not going to be shooting so from house to house and in a hostel or
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in a guest house with my family, no. My stage already closed that cycle and I didn't play anymore.”
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From there, in 2018, through the mediation of Mario Fernández, who was
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president of the Cuban Association there in the United States. Mario was, was living at that time in Chile and
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Don Fernández and Donay Fernández are leaving for Chile in 2018.
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There they were playing the semifinal of the Chilean tournament, a tournament that had a fairly acceptable quality that
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there were players who had been relics in the United States and played baseball in Venezuela.
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Several Venezuelans have told me that. You told me that yourself. Right? And I got there and Mario told me, “Come
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to work with me.” He had a baseball and softball association apart from a private company and he told me,
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“He works here at the company and from there he continues to play baseball.”
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And I stayed that that was another of the things that for that reason and truth that I say it
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So, I don't know if I hate, anger that I have at
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all the corrupt leaders in Cuba. Hey, I don't know if you know Rafael Rofe.
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Rafael Rofe, Pérez, it could be something like that. Journalist interviews and that. Yes, journalist. Like this,
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He accidentally spoke to Donay Fernández and Donay told him, “No, here I have Nava without any kind of evil.”
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And he wrote a piece of writing. Nava is playing the semifinal here with us in Chile, not the tournament. And if
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they found out in Santiago de Cuba that I had gone to Chile. Automatically
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they went to my house. That, that, that nobody knows. They went to my house, they said to my wife, “Give me the card of
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fuel and starting today Miguel Nava stops charging $200 to be his Olympic champion.”
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And they left me, they left my family practically helpless. One thing that you did, that
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You won, because no matter where you live, they can't take that away from you. Some of us have seen this before, Jordano.
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Correct. No, that's the modus operandis that Cuba has always done, uh, of
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In a way, I think that the Cuban, in the end of envy, of things and whatever is good, went there, now to fuck off.
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And they come to take things away from you. Unbelievable. But this, whatever, but listen to me, excuse me, excuse me,
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July. When I went to the Dominican Republic, when I went to the Dominican Republic they did it too.
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Oh, too. Oh, they also took you away when Yes. When I returned they found out.
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Hey, I have to thank the commissioner of Santiago, who is my brother, he's been my brother all his life. Yamil already
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Yamil isn't commissioner right now. He said, “No, nothing, wait, but this
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it's not like that.” And Ya Yamí got tied up and they put it back on for me, but almost every year
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of him having made the claim. And when I left for Chile, which I really mean to you like that, I went to play baseball and
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I didn't go to stay, not a week had passed and I
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They removed, they took everything from me But yes, practically they
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they force you to stay too. They always try to give you the push, the push so that so that
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you make the decisions. Incredible. Look what we're going to do, man. We are taking care of our health because this
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It changed a lot and there is no one to feel it. I always tell him, today I said it hey hey here in my house and I said it
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during several programs and these days, no one feels the pain of others, understand? Everyone feels their own and thank you
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for using this platform to to express yourself. Aside from the fact that we have a
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friendship off the ball court, you know that on the field they've looked at you a lot. Let's go to a message with the doctor
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Coming back, my people, returning. Here we are with a secure glove in the TO
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first by Luis Miguel Nava. The beginnings. How did you start? The first time you were a land person, when did you
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Did he start to adult? Did you start throwing potatoes around the house? What did you do? Well, my brother, in my beginning
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They were, I don't know if you know that I'm from the municipality of Guamá. Aha. There in Santiago de Cuba, that's it
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Between Santiago de Cuba all over the Sierra Maestra de Costa Sur on the road
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for Granma. There I started like about 5 or
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6 years old. Thanks to two uncles of mine who today send you a big greeting, who know that
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I love very much, my uncle Marcelino González, that everyone in Guamar knows him because of Chelo and my uncle Miguel González who
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everyone knows by daddy. They juice and daddy here to make them feel like the nephew.
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Yes, yes, yes. They were my inspiration. They played at the level, my uncle Marcelino
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He played at the provincial level, softball and baby and that daddy played more there in the
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neighborhoods, in the in the municipality, in that area and they didn't arrive, but yes my uncle was the manager of the Costa Azul team that was
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At that time they were called the Hamah team and they were my first to teach them to play baseball.
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Then in 88 it was 889, I don't remember, the first one arrived
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who was my first official coach to arrive in Guamá, to Irel Díaz Popa, who is currently walking, lives in the United States
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United, graduated from
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first coach so graduated from PR to arrive in Guamá. That year 88 me
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They carried, I think 88 took me to I was 8 years old
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to a clinic that they gave in Santiago de Cuba, there a card with the deceased and
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Go to Francisco el Caurdido. Okay. But they said that I was too young to enter the Eide.
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In the year 89 we went to the provincial games, my municipality came in second place
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who had always been the last, hey, for the first time we were runner-up
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provincial and there they sing to me for the EU in Santiago de Cuba with a new Captain Orest Acosta, I remember that.
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Captain Orete Acosta. Likewise. Well, I think that I am I am or am I
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among the few players in Cuba who played 4 years in
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At that time the children's category, the National Pioneer category. You were part of that. I couldn't go to three anymore because in
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The one in the first one didn't fit me because it says I was very small too. Well, I went to four. The first was
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the first was in Tarará and the others Remedio and Caibari. Tarará. As a remedy,
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In medicine, Ciudadana won with Eulogio Vilanova who is Eric William Rabaza, all those people who later give them
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You found out later that it's coming right now, now those topics are coming. Well, I played we won in the
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91. Santiago Cuba champion in 91. In 91 against Ciudadana. Citizen who
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Wins in 90, I think Ciudadana wins in 90. Right? Well, I played four tournaments
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children. There I went to that fair in Japan and as he was telling me right now
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That the second year of the world cup, the fourth year that in 92 was the
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world cup in Japan, which took us neither to Cepeda nor to Sergay, nor to go or to irdecia for the
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The middle ages that they invented at the moment, that I was half a passage that I made the anecdote here, the half passage. Tell us, you're going
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At the fair in Japan when I was 11 years old, because it was in 1991, we met, we went to the Latin American one that goes, remind me of the
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names, Frederica, correct. And his dad was there. Aha. The dad, the dad, the dad wasn't.
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No, but you were training him in Latin. Aha. The coach. Aha. Who else?
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Perez,
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and Verd de la Tuna who sends him a greeting as well. Guajiro, natural guajiro and
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well that guajiro. Where is it? Where is it now?
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Buddy? I lost communication the last time I was there in tunas living, right? He played I think even the juveniles or a series I think
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He was with the tunas, but he never played anymore. So, your world cup is your turn, your
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World 10, just like it was my turn in those 1992.
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When you're 12 years old, what happened? Well, for now they're telling us no
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We are in the shortlist because Japan asked only for children
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born from August 1st to December 31st and we, I was born in February, Frederick eats in April, Irai
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over there. None of us were there from August 1st to December 31st. In the middle of the passage he stuck you
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for paying for half the ticket. Just imagine yourself. In fact, the manager of that team was
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May God have him in glory, that I adore him a lot, that he was one of my first
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coach in the E, Erildo Hernández. He was he, he was the one who led that team.
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together with Chino Fonseca. You were still there in the Then, you go to the categories that in your time and
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Mine hey it's the 13th and 14th, the 15th and that's where you have some outstanding participations.
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Talk to us, talk to us. At that time, at that time in 13 14 they suspended, no
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I know for what reason, the national tournaments. [__] we had a tremendous special period dog. Acuérdate
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93 and 94 we went through a mother's hunger. That's that's that they didn't tell you and that was the
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motive. No, there were always national school games, they were called. Correct.
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Aha. They suspended it and then in the last year 13 and 14 were the
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Pan-American Games in Brazil and they took it like this, they said, “From Santiago de
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Cuba, who has it?” Luis Miguel Nava, Carlos Meriño, I don't know who, send it to me. And they focused on Santi.
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Spirit in Holy Spirit that they gave us picadillo de Tenca. They gave you that mincemeat with soup
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With a thorn in your ass that I'm basking you he doesn't know that story about us. A thorn battery.
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One but I know what tenca is, right? And the picadillo ask him what an enchilado was. Did they dare to tell him?
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Deca enchilado? Ask nothing. Also, he's my brother. And there holy spirit they scared you just like me.
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Igualito, right there. Right, expensive. And the practice in Victory or in the Strike,
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No. In the stadium where we train or in the same stadium. Down there by him coming down the teacher like someone who goes
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from there. What else do you remember from there? That's where we went to the Pan-American Championship in Brazil. We were runner-up champion. We lost
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there with Brazil. Who was part of the Cuba team?
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Hey, I was a provincial coach I can't remember the name right now
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I wasn't there yet. Rigoberto Blanco, someone like that could, I don't know, maybe
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It wasn't him I always think he handled the category
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inferior, I think, I can't remember the name. We asked if you have a stack of teammates on that team. Tell me the ones about your companions who already chamaquito
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they were going there. It sticks to me or I kept coming to you with that story. Look, he always got lost and Serg we walked to
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always juvenile. Okay. We were always there for that. There they varied
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which was later entered on the 13th and 14th. Masó, no, Masó was one year older than me.
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Hey, nothing at that time. Hey, Yalián Serrano, Wally Castro.
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Yes. Oh, Wally, that's my brother's team. I also send greetings to his family.
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Look at the other days, sorry. The other day I spoke to my dad and I told him
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My thanks and everything, because you know that my family from Santiago de Cuba, from Guamá, never went to Santisprito
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to go and at that time they didn't give you a pass. It was two months of preparation and two months.
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anchored there. I wasn't going to go to Santiago and Wally's parents, I told them that ago
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Like two, three months, I say, [__] I eternally thank you for what you did for me. They were made
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I practice just like Ovi's mom, they took care of me, they brought me food, they brought me things, they always gave me
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They were present so that I would feel good, so that I would not be sad, because sometimes those of Santo
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Spirit was going to pick him up and go home. The thing about Santa Clara, blind, but the thing about La
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Many people went to Havana and brought it, but I had to stay there and imagine myself practically alone there. Yo
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I know and they supported me a lot. All those parents always supported me. Always and if
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I appreciate it. Download a Cuba team in 1996 15 16 here
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in Well, here because we are here in the United States. What city are you coming to? In 96. We went to St. Louis Miss Fury.
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To San Luis. Look at this, Jordi. Look for that. For there, for the Midwest, for up there.
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A cold, a cold. Okay, no. There, there, there, there we are in third place. Mm. Because there we have there our that
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There I send greetings to our stellar Kecher at that time when I don't know what to him
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it happened because Yalián had to go further. Yalián stayed and El Capurro stayed
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there in that tournament. That is one of the questions that are hot right now. When someone stayed, what happened? But wait for me.
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So, imagine, imagine that Yalián, Yalián was my brother. Aha. And the day that Yalián stays,
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I was wearing the Yalián sandal. You crowned, you crowned. Don't put yourself
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sad that you took the sandal. No, no, listen to me. No, I handed it to him, but in the middle of the game, in
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In the middle of the game, he says to me, “No, let's go, let's go to the bathroom for a moment.”
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Because the bathroom, the doctor didn't have a bathroom. The bathroom was basketball, the back. Okay.
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And when he goes to the bathroom there's a man who calls him and says, “Yeah,
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But I see I mean, but the guy looks like Yalián. It was the dad.
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that he went to look for him and then I already tell him, my brother,
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What a blow.” I said, “No, don't worry. And then the game was over, we went to college where
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We were there, that was a yellow bus that one and he was going next to me and my dad was coming back in the car. Ya
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We arrived at the university, he asks me for the sandal, he gives me my shoe, which was wearing my shoes and my brother gave me
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He gives me a hug and says, [__] we'll see each other someday and he lost his mind
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And I already went to bed, I didn't say anything, quiet, like at 11, 12 at night out there or
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Later, I don't remember, they started with me covering it up from the ground up.
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I don't know, no, I haven't seen him, I haven't seen him, I haven't seen him, I haven't seen him, I haven't seen him, I haven't seen him and everyone hasn't seen him.
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It was Alian and the day of the bronze was discussed,
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So close to the university there was like saying a flea of clothes and
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we went shopping and there they went to look for they went to look for several, but
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The only one that was assembled was the Capurro. Igualito. A boy that Julita, Julita had
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dedicated everything, the entire Pan-American East of Brazil, Julita dedicated it to him, the hero of What was his name? Londrina,
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No? Londrina. Where did you guys go? In Londrina. Londrina. No, but it's true that Capurro was a savage in that
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in that category. than with a gentleman. Oh, no, he was a savage. And from there oh the same thing, now
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we left, we had the game and you know that they tell you they tell you how the chicks, the three of them, the two ketchup,
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one, two, the six infielders, the four jalineros, the eight pits
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there were seven. Who is missing? Missing. No one was talking. Raise your hand. Do you remember that one?
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said? Raise your hand. What is missing. Who's going to raise their hand to you? The Caputro disappeared. Well, we already
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we had to go to the game with only one C because the others went to the police to file the report
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and that and how was that lived there still in a category. No, no, no, no. There you couldn't talk
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because I and everyone who speaks knows that they don't travel anymore. That was the
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reality. He wanted to and didn't tell the truth. I always always everyone
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My companions know what is my always even my family, which is my
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position on all those things. I don't sympathize with any of that, anything like that.
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I have families that are, uh, defenders of that and they
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you know that I don't I don't tolerate that. No, but I think that Jordi Jordi wanted you Jordi what he wanted you
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Ask, sorry for interrupting you quickly because the question is, for example, on the line, you and I were on those teams, but what do I know what
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He said on the line when I know when Yalián left first and then when you are going to discuss the bronze with which you
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Is the capurro missing? No, that those traitors are not necessary to win the championship.
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That was the phrase like that. Oh, they betrayed him and those of us here have to wear the bronze medal
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for Cuba. That's what you say, you don't say good things there. If you didn't want to play like That Now,
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exactly. And that's when the game ends, you
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Do you know that always when we got bronze medals because we lost a tremendous game against
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The United States and the United States had a band there that looked like men and from there straight for the bus to
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Get set up and go to the villa and there the next day to the airport and don't let anyone talk to. I'm sure they sent to look for it.
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Reinforcement, I'm sure they came to you from Washington, from the embassy and that to guard you as if you were
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And the fuck off that there are always a few people that you don't even know who they are,
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No? For example, you and I know that story to you in that championship to explain, right? To Jordi, because
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Jordi knows it from another, but for everyone, you were fighting when the games were over. It was time for us to go to
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another lawyer and say, “Hey, give me the belt in any language.” The 101 indicated it, that is, you there
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automatically for the bus, for the airport and going there. That's the way it is. No, to me to me the deceased in peace
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Descanso said that I was the Pablo Escobar from the dumb one. It said, says Virginio,
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You always went with several jerseys, didn't you? What is it that how do I tell me
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Daughter that I'm going to Holland 9 hours across the ocean,
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15 days in Holland that give me $50 that I didn't bring him even if it's a pair of socks.
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The king of the pagotilla. So, that's fine. Look what we have. So, that's not understood.
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How how do I tell my daughter that? That I couldn't bring him anything because they wouldn't let me out.
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Jordano goes for you because you have the youth players left, which are tremendous teams. You know that we have had several of your companions, hey, here with us.
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What are you are brothers to me and I am less than barbaric. I will continue with that story.
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No, I have said it here publicly and you know it because you have seen that for me one of the most talented teams
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It's that one of those years to you. The juveniles are coming to you and the steamroller is coming to you. No one moves that when we return
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Coming back, my people, returning. And there's no wire going here this afternoon. This is spicy and spread with the appetizers in
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now. Shoot Jordi at the man. No, there are many, there are many teams, many youth teams that when you
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You see the rosters and then you start looking, he says, “Oh, wow, look at Fulanito, there, look, Menganito here, look at this team of all those players.”
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Because there is a lot of talk about the players who arrived, who broke up, but there are many, there are many who are
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they remained. There are many who stayed. Tell me already about these players that you saw they had
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perspective and that they had a talent to get there to be national, which was that moment the greatest thing there was
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and they were lost as a result of all the things that happen in Cuba. Well, my brother, you eat as my saying
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Brother Julio, that Youth World Cup 2000 1997.
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Yes, sir. Your first year and we can clarify first year to be a team you had to be an easel.
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Well, I tell you that that year, my first year, Yel Gómez was also left out
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his first year. I'm talking about turning 80. Correct. Here you are with 79.
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79 that was one there. Mikhail. Mikhail, the Sultan of the Sword. Mijail Gonzalez.
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Well, Mikhail is also left out. Oh, God. But wait, there is one with
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Borroto at the airport. There's something out there to happen to that. Talk about it. That was a great show.
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That was a great show because the team was really more Kecher,
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Chicho Ferrarle and Peraza. And Peraza, that's right. That I was already there that I already told him it wasn't but it was
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bulkier than all of us. No, no, no, no. Back then, at that time, I wasn't that fat, was I? There's Michel, Michel Enrique who
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They said Tamallitos for the first Pedroso, second Varela, third Josué Cabrera and
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For the first time in history, they won three chorestó against a Cuban youth team.
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So do it here live, live for the first time in history. Tell them who they are. Michel Enrique, Rudy Rey and I,
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Because there wasn't, I was the only one, I was the only player or were we Chichoferral
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and I, the only two players who were not in the national ESPA, who at that time was the national sword,
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we went to that team Cuba. Look at this, horse. Wow. Now. And a peter of of of Granma, uh,
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Alberto Castro, but for the first time about
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they won three, especially for the first time, the Cuba team. Look at this question I'm going to ask it
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with your present today, your present today. Focus on this. Look at this.
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Of those great teams, Luis Miguel Nava's Cuba in lower categories. TO
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Who are you today? You today as a coach, may God willing, you are going to see that yes you are going to be able to start with this one eh
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academy and talent promotion to look for in a professional firm. Who would you have signed? Luis Miguel Nava, who would have given him the 60-yard line. No you
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Put yourself. I already signed you. I'm going to sign you, but now look at several players from that time of yours in
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those categories here, to Giordano and me and to everyone who is watching you for this Cuban USA ball.
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Well, look there the first one was going Michel Enriquez was from that group, the guy
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more talented than me. Michel didn't have that big arm, but he was the guy who picked up the ball, threw it without looking
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first and threw it away first. Juan Carlos Pedroso, without a doubt.
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Let's start with Michel because Pedoso has it, but Michel, what was it like to run Michel? Ahora Tú Me Está
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speaking professionally to Michel Enrique, right? Michel was flying at the base. Michel was very fast. Above the porch. Correct. Already. 60. Lo
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You see, [__] I like the boy. We are now going to the defense of Michel Enrquez in El Sior everything that people don't know that
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Michel played everything there. No, no, Michel didn't make mistakes. I was making mistakes. Look,
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Michel was a guy who picked up the ball and threw it, who looked bad playing.
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incredibly rare. Ao right away he didn't have that arm. Me
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He said because I was I have a photo in Cuba with him that his deceased threw it away
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Mother that he picked up the ball and told me, that he has so much arm to put in
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first. You pull well and release it quickly. You don't owe all photos, don't stay
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seeing nothing, that you know when I talk to the people who owe me, you start sending photos to us. Throw it away then, man.
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Michel, characterize Michel's batting over the fence for me, by a lot.
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No, no. Michel always beat in the entire category. He beat all his life. All my life.
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I don't know why they called him Matienzo. They called him Matienso at the time. I don't know why. Matienzo and Damito for the mother. Of course,
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but Michel always beat in the entire category. A1 batsman. We left now, look where
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you were, for Juan Carlos Pedoso. What pod class? How many Horrones Peros? you
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You don't do it, but Peroso does, Honor Ron. No, no, Pedroso. In fact, we won that world cup because Pedroso is the one who
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Tie the game against Korea FU or Chinese Taipei.
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But you don't know who who stole the signal from the Korean guy
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because that little boy was giving [Laughter]
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And in the sixth inning Mister Rodríguez and I stop not to say that I because it was between the two
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We played from the first inning and my brother Chamaquito from Marianado who is in California. Michelle, that same one.
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Michel, my brother. That you have communication with him, otherwise I'll pass on all the
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already. Yes, we both played right from the start and that the game started when we were children of so many years,
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17 you and 18 Michel. And we weren't playing, we were both on the bench not playing because Michel didn't
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He did well in that tournament and they sat him down. Okay. And we both put ourselves in the bank to get the signal from the CO of, I don't know if it was
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Chipe or Correa, I don't remember who the final was with. Ma Rodríguez pictured that game.
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A Chinese man came and gave him horror in the first in the second and beat
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One per and I and Borroto would just come and say no we haven't caught him yet
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And in the sixth inning Michel we called him erase I think we caught it let's go and we're all in third and he erased it was C
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From the third and I tell him, “I delete, look we said when when we
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Let's say from here curve And when it's curved you tell the batsman the last name and when it's straight
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Tell him the name. Yes, sir. And so we tried and tested with the first batters and it worked and
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When it arrived in Pedroso eh
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Juan Carlos straight and did that to him. Hrong tied the game and came back
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Peraza. Curva Peraza came to Peraz Ron and we won 2-1
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this. What kind of a good anecdote. You just gave me a name here that if you keep giving it to me we'll never finish. I don't
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I know what your time is like. First we're going to thank you. Ma Rodriguez, how was Mael that day?
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When I was a judge, I threw 90 or so miles away. Yeah, calm down, man, calm down. There
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I learned there without relief. He bats, isn't he? And he batted, he batted. But don't let anyone get hot. Le
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he once said to people, don't heat anyone up here because I'm shooting full game. Yes or no? No, but you don't know, you don't know what
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Ma said in that game. It counts. Mae says, you who are some [__] who don't beat that little boy of
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[__] That Chinese guy just threw three at him and he [__] It was really hard.
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Wait, wait. But he did he was on the live show. They didn't put him in his head. At that time in the in the
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Juveniles the designated one didn't hit the pitch he had to bat. Okay. I had to hit the chopping block
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and they threw a braid on it. They threw three at him. It says [__] What
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see that Rodriguez is signable. And who was coming after me? But without question. Who who
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was it there that impressed you? Norberto González was on that team.
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There was Timba Reier Hernández who is here. We sent him a hug and that I saw him in
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Dominicana I send you a hug too to tell me more I was a pit of
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There was a pit in Camagüy Randy López de Pin there was no one there. You know that
44:29
Pinal always had good piches. Pinal de Pinal nothing. Who was from Pinal? Of the of of of of of Granaba Alberto
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Castro. Tremendous guajiro, that handsome guajiro, really handsome. And Santiago, you were the only representative in those categories.
44:44
Hey, Carlos Meriño is going to the Pan American Championship, but he's not going to the world cup. Frantamayo was deceased in my time. Tremendous,
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Tremendous Frantamayo and the juveniles. A stick was Frano, wasn't it? My brother, there
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We were we were, they told us the four carpeters in the team of
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Santiago. We were Alexander Jorge, the late Franayo who were sleeping together the two of them, Pedro Poli and me. We were the four of us
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carpet racks. Oh, my mother, you were in the slap. Dano is going to [__] you now with the steamroller. Veteord with the
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Flattener. Call it. No, we're going to do something. Let's take a little break. Let's go to a small one
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pause with Nesca products. When we return, let's get to the cover of why Luismiel was in both
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Flatteners, right? In both. It went over the top. Forward and backward. In both. Yes. Forward and backward. For ante and
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backwards. We're going to take a little break and we're back. Carreta for chopping conca. There is no need
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invent. Banana. Yuca, tostotón. All of that is seasoned. Sweet milk for
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snack. Cold toy that surprises you, coffee that increases the score. In the house the
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things explode in markets at the same time. No matter the neighborhood is under stress.
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And if it's not for 305, just shoot in one
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with Neca. There is no mistake. Cuban flavor, the best. Chicharrita in
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its color and price bring down sweat.
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There isn't. Coming back, my people, returning. Afternoon
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luxurious. What we have here is with a Mr. Stó who threw out the insurance that was in the first place and also connected and the
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Honrones gave them when he was 35 years old so that people didn't stay here either, because then not the veterans, the veterans
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They represented here too I'm playing it on Sundays in La Liga. Mateus
46:50
The eagles will call you at any time. Mexicani didn't qualify for the playoffs. No, it didn't qualify.
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must classify. Yes, I was in seventh place. I classified it, there it was, Panther.
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my brother. There I am every time in the stadium talking. Sir, I have seen him supporting your project, which we are going to do later right now
47:07
Banquet here because what you're doing really yes love that you have to baseball and that we have
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us and that's the reason why we're here. We're going to be healthy for a long time. shoot
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Jordi. What did you tell me? That nothing was in the plan that he gave him forward and in the one that he gave him backwards. No, Nava was with Inginio and
47:25
he was with Pacheco. I think he won three with each one. Now from memory speaking, he won three with each one.
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What is a flattener? And go and right now I'm going to put you on the ropes now. Against the ropes. What steamroller?
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Shoot, shoot, shoot without fear. Which steamroller was better? Luis Miguel,
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No good to say which one was better I think no it wouldn't be fair on my part
47:52
I say it because they were very different in both gliders. The first
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Glider was a ready-made ball glider, a dedicated player with respect, a
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enormous quality. I tell you that way, I am proud to have participated in that
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first glider because I learned a lot from those great figures like Pacheco, Quindelán, Pierre, Fauto, that you
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You looked at there was a star. I think that the only the only little lucerito was was
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me. They were all superstars. It's true that there weren't any and the advice they gave me.
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Hey, I learned how to practically hit hard in baseball. When I was going to
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Batting told me, “Look, you're going to shoot you like you're learning, they're going to throw you straight for the straight. This is the placement
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no that was a school. The second steamroller were young boys
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And already you were more who gave more advice you were the one who gave a little more advice
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And there too no yes no me me me always and my colleagues who were with me at that time
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Do you know that I was always a player who helped my teammates a lot in
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all areas, both in the sporting and personal aspects. I was the player who traveled almost every
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years. I was the player who wore five pairs of p and distributed them. My partner. He brought five bats and distributed them. Traía
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10 pairs of gauntlets and I was giving it away. I was that goalkeeper on my team. It wasn't the plotter I brought to sell or to
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do business. No, I used to give it to my partner. There they are routine, the Castilian Paul, who is my brother of
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all his life, the late Fran Tamallo, Alexander Jorge. I always helped me
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partner. Advice was there, they gave me a car when we became champion in 2007.
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And I was that in 2007 2008 and I was the one who picked up and carried my partner who
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they were there, what are you doing? Hey, no, I'm taking the bus to go to let's go I'll take it at 11, 12 at night in
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At that time we played at night and as I told you, that second steamroller
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They were boys who should also be given credit to Fran Reinaldo
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who had 2 years with us 2000, 2003 2004,
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That's where Olivera came out, José Julio came out, Henry Abama came out
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Catea was one of the juveniles and Frángel made a team of of
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prospects to play the provincial leagues and then in the preparation he kept that
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Prospect team and put him to play against us, against Alexander Jorge, against Pedro Paul and he did those cool
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And they beat us being them to end up leaving the juveniles and then
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Hey Pacheco arrived and put, as we say, that season
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And that respect that the team needed, because it's not that Frel isn't with Frel not
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There were, but there were times when the boys felt a little more relaxed, but Pacheco arrived and
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Put that pepper that here is this
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Schedule and whoever doesn't comply leaves.
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And that's where we had the results we won. See if so the fourth, the fourth, the fourth year, that third that year we lost.
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with industrialists, nobody knows that. Look at yourself this way
51:26
The Pacheco discipline that we came from Havana. Mustelier was one of those who was the most
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batting. Ronel Mustelier, a hug. Muster. Ron Mustel. And Pacheco said, “From there
51:40
For the hotel nobody goes to his house.” and Muter went to his house and Pacheco found out and didn't put it to
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Play more and we lost we all know that's why we lost
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It was the first bat and it was the one that was turned on to the word and not and he said, I told him to go and sanctioned him
51:57
And Yaomiel Sánchez who went for a while to leave their clothes at home and grabbed him
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and he sanctioned both of us and we lost that final because of that. How do you
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and then what happens? The second glider was a glider that
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The base was running. Pacheco said, “From the first to the fifth inning they are free.
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Everyone is free. It comes first and you get red whenever you want.” When I
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Put me in the second second bat, I liked it when Mutel was packaged because we were a sign, he was
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I used to play the belt here. I'm going to the Hitan Rat robbery.
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And everyone, I think the slowest were Paul and I on the team,
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just imagine. And I and how we set several records in that
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second planer as well. The first one played a little quieter at the hit,
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No? That when the batsman struck out, the ball pass that was more was more
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slowly, there wasn't so much noise in the back. You want to make noise, decato, calm down,
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relax. And then the ball pass, the ball pass I remembered the other day with Guantánamo. Ese
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Guantánamo passed the ball, which is not crazy. Heredia, Joel Sanchez,
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Hey the Bañino, the Borda, which is crazy, hey Borrero you're queche careto, no
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that tremendous madness in Santiago. In Santiago with with
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Horses that no that didn't exist. Conchado Bola Tercera Pier picked it up for the boo
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us here. Give it over there. We're going to be playing. Era
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more relaxed, more leisurely. It was clear he said. Here they stick and win. This is not being with that one
53:54
Payacería and pass the ball. No, no. Dale, shut up. And what is there that that glider
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of these horses. We're going to remind him. There are many more that we don't want to have anything left there. There's Fausto Álvarez, there's Reis, there
54:08
There's an Ariel Cutiño in F with that machete. How did this rookie feel then with all those Cuban teams?
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There was respect because if you know that there is. No, no, no. There I didn't talk, I didn't talk.
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What they did want me to do. Imagine, I was telling you, they loved you very much. Correct. They loved you very much. I was the cute boy. I have an anecdote
54:28
Hey very nice that happened to me with Iginio one day.
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When that Germán started Germán's madness back in the United States, uh,
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Ordóñe and I, you know, looking for the last thing in that hidden time, one
54:47
I watched a video of the owner of a BH, but he brought the other one and said, “No, but this
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people like Tian and they are running here.” And I started doing that, boy. Un Dia Tiro de Chorba, first
55:00
And when I get to the dogadoio I sit down and say, “Hey, newbie here, get ready
55:06
and pull hard first. This is Correc run with me boy. Yco called me to
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Pierre than Pierre. Hey, but I'm sending Jimmy a hello because I love him very much. Jimmy hey hey, don't listen to that old man.
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Here you pull as you want, you take it, you pull it there and if you pull it wrong, the [__] No c fights. And they
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they they told me all that. You do whatever you want here on the ball. Enjoy the game and shoot like
55:32
He beats him. Here we are the ones in charge. There you have been ahead.
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There you had Benado ahead of Manuel Benavid. Benavides. Well, when I enter the
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99
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and from there I spent 3 years, two years in the development league. I spent two years. Are you watching the juveniles or
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When I was in the youth I played two development leagues and from there I went on to 99
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Officially because I played in 97 I played a game that was uploaded to me
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Development League against Santiapíritu de
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One game my first strikeout and my first base by the ball was given to me by Ángel Peña.
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It's just here. We send a hug to Spain because I see you here. And in 98
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I'm starting to see, I'm starting at the top
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And then as after two months they bring me down to reinforce the development league he supposedly said and they already left me in the
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development league. We went hungry at the games on Saturday. Do you remember that? Oh, they put it in for Maicí,
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for Manuel Tame, for all those mountains to sleep. A day in Manuel Tre that was
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that we slept on the platform of a school like that because it wasn't like we were getting into the mosquito shelters. I was saying to Jordi,
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Exactly these days I commented on it here. Incredible, incredible things. And already in 99 I did debut with the team
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Santiago that we became champion. Yes, now. And after that you started
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That you already thought that winning him was something normal, that in a ball game you always win because you win
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like six out of eight you won. Me in 99 2000 and 2001
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I had it in the bank or nothing else they could play an example
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when Pacheco got sick, when Pierre got sick or to defend on the ninth Hill.
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That's why you defend a lot because you have 64 games in 2001 and you have 80 in the
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2012. But it was that role, it was today's nothing come in now to give a refreshment to
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to the easels. What happened in 2001 2002
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That was Pierre's problem, I think. Exactly. That they suspend him. Correct.
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They suspend him and I'm already playing regularly.
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